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WotC Follows Open Design Lead!

  • Oct. 2nd, 2008 at 8:26 AM
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Turns out that the Empire of the Ghouls project has led WotC to pick up the ghouls theme: they ship Kingdom of the Ghouls in June for 4E.

I'm somewhere between delighted that they are doing it, and really annoyed that no one asked me. Ah well, Bruce Cordell is one of the authors, so I know it has a good pedigree. I'm curious to see how much he picks up from the 2nd Edition version.

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[info]innercaine wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC)
Just to be clear, that is not a literal adaptation is it?

I don't know why they don't throw you some work, you're helping the brand with the Wrath project...
[info]open_design wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 04:42 pm (UTC)
Since Doresain, King of the Ghouls, is pictured on the cover, I am assuming that they are literally adapting from my first take on this topic, "Kingdom of the Ghouls" from Dungeon 70, rather than from Empire.

Which is flattering and good, and hey, they own all rights to the Dungeon material.

As for the work, they no longer hire freelancer for single projectss, they lock them into exclusive contracts, sort of freelancer slavery. Which means that I could not continue with Open Design and KQ if they hired me. Which means I won't be working for them anytime soon.
[info]eyebite79 wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 04:50 pm (UTC)
Are you serious? Like...WotC "buys" a freelancer for a set period? (Or for a set number of projects?)

Sounds like those abusive record contracts from the 50s and 60s.

Damn. Is this unprecedented in the industry?

I mean, it's great if you really love 4e and want to be guaranteed work and all . . . do the contracts at least pay well?
[info]open_design wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 04:59 pm (UTC)
Yes, they are "freelancers" who are not allowed to work for anyone else, yet receive none of the benefits or security that an employee receives.


The contracts pay very well for RPG material. Most of the people who have told me about it say something about "golden handcuffs" and can't quite meet my eyes. I feel vaguely embarrassed for them, but they gotta pay the rent.

It is unprecedented in the industry, and does smack of the studio system contracts.
[info]thecoremechanic.blogspot.com wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 04:47 pm (UTC)
fair use or no?
i would also like to know this - but I guess we will have to wait to see if that's the case. Looks like their upcoming product is an adventure. "E2" would indicate Epic 2, the second in their Epic Adventure line. Of course... it would complete blow arse if they stole your ideas and did not give you credit ($$) for it.
[info]open_design wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 05:02 pm (UTC)
Re: fair use or no?
Oh, they own all the rights to Doresain and company based on the Dungeon Adventure I wrote back in issue #70.

Which is why Empire went bigger and better than Kingdom. But I can't help but think the ENnie nomination for Empire might have convinced them to do Kingdom as one of their big epic finale adventures.

Bruce's co-author is the head of the RPGA, Chris Tuach (sp?). Bruce is an old friend of mine, and I am certain I will be credited appropriately, no worries there.
[info]brucecordell.blogspot.com wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 06:06 pm (UTC)
Wolf's Kingdom of the Ghouls is one of my favorite articles. I've already got an acknowledgment on the credits page of E2 thanking Wolf :-).

brc
[info]kunger00 wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 09:28 pm (UTC)
Mr. Cordell, Thank you for making sure that happened. You are the gentleman that Wolfgang has told us about. :)
[info]freeport_pirate wrote:
Oct. 2nd, 2008 10:19 pm (UTC)
Look at it this way: an empire is much bigger and more impressive than a kingdom. :)
[info]funkbgr wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 02:52 am (UTC)
Seriously
Can't have enough Ghouls
[info]99bullets wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 12:09 pm (UTC)
Kudos to Bruce

'Nuff said
[info]terraleon wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 01:53 pm (UTC)
Yeah, but...
there's no way it's cooler. ;) Empire rawks. Empire found your Base, took your lunch money, kicked your dog, stole your girlfriend, had you do its homework, then went to get beer with your car.

Empire eats its challengers' hearts raw while the life still dims in their eyes, then makes a drinking stein from the polished skull and plays yahtzee with dice made out of their knuckles as it sells their relatives into terrible slavery.

Empire is all of one label shy of being a setting, and that's a rough act to follow.

-Ben.
[info]kenmarable wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 03:58 pm (UTC)
Yes, but they will never take Jiro!!
[info]avidreader514 wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 05:50 pm (UTC)
keep that sketch safe!
[info]coffeesucker wrote:
Oct. 3rd, 2008 09:43 pm (UTC)
If it wasn't for Bruce working on it, I would pray that this, dare I say "rip off", would blow up in WOTC's face. However, for Bruce's sake, I'm sure it will do well. Bruce rocks!
-g-
[info]krell1 wrote:
Oct. 7th, 2008 12:44 pm (UTC)
I can see why you'd have mixed feelings. At least you received the credit you were due. Kingdom was among my favorite adventures too.
[info]qwilion wrote:
Oct. 15th, 2008 11:54 pm (UTC)
Wow "Golden handcuffs", just WOW!

I am glad you don't like the lucrative S&M wolfgang.

As to good vs. bad

Pro: guaranteeing designers work, which as I look around is a good thing, how do you focus on designing if you’re worried about your next job and how to put food on the table next month.

Con: the designer is narrowing their opportunities and pigeonholes them to one system, it also limits their income, as they could supplement it if the market changes.

Con: it is bad for fans, because those who do not play a specific system will not get the joys of a specific designer’s work.

Con: The growing number of fans whose loyalty lies with a individual designer rather than a brand like D&D.

Pro: for WotC an exclusive deal keeps a valued creator from working for the “competition” or creating competition with thier own d20 company as a number of former folks did, even if he or she is not working at all and collecting a paycheck.

Pro or Con?: I cannot decide if this is a benefit for fans; Favored designer working on their favorite system if they love 4e and love say Bruce. But Bruce would probably have done it anyway, without the exclusive contract.

To me though its none of my business. Freelancers have to do what is best for them and their career. Its all the race in the comic book industry why not Rpgs.


[info]open_design wrote:
Oct. 16th, 2008 03:21 am (UTC)
Bruce has been on staff with TSR and WotC for more than 10 years, so he's not exactly a freelancer....

But I take your larger point. Wouldn't it be nice if the market for tabletop design supported both large corporate stables of steady work, and smaller, nimbler venues where the money is secondary?

Actually, I think it does. I could wish for more mobility and all, but people need to both pay the rent and feel they are doing something worthwhile creatively. It's always tough to balance the two.